並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/tw/podcast/%E7%AC%AC-93-%E9%9B%86-%E4%B8%8B-%E5%A7%86%E6%96%AF-%E7%94%9C%E7%93%9C-%E9%96%83%E9%9B%BB%E4%BF%A0-03-%E6%A2%AF%E5%A4%A7%E6%B4%97%E7%89%8C-%E5%89%8D-15-%E9%A0%86%E4%BD%8D%E9%87%8D%E6%96%B0%E9%81%B8%E7%A7%80/id1441248864?i=1000499017135